earl wrote:A peloton on a disorganised ride on public roads MUST observe ALL rules and especially assure public safety. The same applies to any individual on public carriageways.
earl wrote:Many thanks to Harry for coming out and publicly making it VERY clear that cyclists in general do NOT condone loutish behavior which breaches the law.
le velo wrote:earl wrote:Many thanks to Harry for coming out and publicly making it VERY clear that cyclists in general do NOT condone loutish behavior which breaches the law.
Plenty of other people and cycling groups have already said similar - cyclists have a voice - so why not contact the HeraldSun or talk to you social contacts? Theres numerous cycling clubs who should come out and put perspective on this issue.
Euan wrote:Call me a cycnic but I don't think the Herald Sun and their ilk are particularly interested in perspective. If they were they would not have reported, on the front page, that the man was left alone to die on the road.
The facts are quite different. Over a dozen cyclists stopped, one of which was a casualty nurse and another a doctor.
They're not interested in facts, they're interested in selling papers.
jed wrote:earl wrote:A peloton on a disorganised ride on public roads MUST observe ALL rules and especially assure public safety. The same applies to any individual on public carriageways.
True, but the speed they travel at is irrelevant. If you are in a 60 zone, and can ride at 60 you should be able to. Although you also have the responsibility to be able to stop in time for lights and the like.
Leave speed out of the argument as it is irrelevant.
earl wrote:Unfortunately Jed, speed in this case is VERY relevant. The speed limit is just that ... a limit ... maximum allowable speed.
You are required to travel at a speed which will enable you to stop safely when necessary.
Derrick v. Cheung wrote:The court held that the driver is entitled to drive ‘normally’. That is, even where a driver may reasonably foresee that a risk may occur, such as a pedestrian running into the path of the vehicle, no breach of duty of care is committed by the driver where he or she simply drives with the flow of traffic, within the speed limit and with eyes on the road.
this might be the loophole the anti-Hell Ride people are looking for. I guess it could be argued that many cyclists, travelling at 50kph, 6 inches from each other is reckless. What would be the charge for 50 cars cars tailgaiting each other at 60pkh?Euan wrote:It's not so much the speed you travel at, obviously without breaking the speed limit, but your ability to stop. Be it riding, driving, heck even walking, one should strive to travel at a speed that allows them to stop safely in response to unexpected events.
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