Canuck wrote:squeazasis wrote:(In fact, many AS children are well above average academically from the word go.... which shows the extent to which it is a broad "spectrum!)
Actually, within the current diagnostic criterium of the DSM-IV, a majority of those given an 'Autism' diagnosis also have an intellectual impairment - by the standard procedures currently used to label 'IQ', anyway. About 70% is the figure usually stated here in Australia.
However, it is important to differentiate ASD from intellectual disability - because one does not equal the other. And intellectual impairment level is important to understand; how it impacts learning and whether it can be remediated effectively. But you could see how the ASD population in general would not necessarily be 'well above average academically' given the high coincidence of intellectual impairment in the same population.
Edit - and squeazsis, in hindsight, I'm wondering if you're using 'AS' for Aspergers, as opposed to Autism (as I am)? that could mean a difference in your/my comment... and maybe it helps to say that I work in autism, and in my specific area we don't use 'AS' in this way - it means Autism Spectrum to me... not Asperger's... this whole thread makes me think Autism... carry on...
Yes.... I was thinking of that differentiation (re the letters "AS") while I wrote it..... in first being exposed to those abreviations (including in this thread) the year before last, I'd got the impression that AS stood for Aspergers Syndrome (perhaps that may have been how most of what I was reading on the internet was using it). Then recently I read the online book of the link I posted above. Temple Grandin was born with classic Autism (she says that by current measures she wouldn't have even been rated as high-functioning in early childhood, e.g. she didn't begin to learn to speak until the age of three or four). While reading the book, I came to realise that she was clearly using AS to mean Autism Spectrum (using ASD when referring to the disorder, and saying "people with AS" in describing the people). I thought the issue was confused a bit though when she'd talk about "many highy intelligent Aspies" in contexts which, apart from the word "Aspies" (assuming that that *does* mean people with Aspergers), she could have been describing people like herself..... but that's by the by.
I actually wasn't intending any generalisation in writing about the academic abilities of people with Aspergers Syndrome (although of course, as you say, if an average of academic prowess is measured with people with Aspergers Syndrome and compared with an average measure of people across the full spectrum of Autism, there will be a huge difference!) I have come to realise that both with Aspergers and with "high-functioning" Autism, there is a wide range of capacity with things such as learning at school and learning a musical instrument (as well as of course with other skills and traits). My comment was really going off on a bit of a tangent: I realised that Helgirl was *not* by any means assuming that those of us AS people on the forum had personal experience of academic difficulty, i.e. she was just saying that obviously we had (unknowingly, for some of us at least) once been primary school children AS..... what I had in mind was a comment I'd heard from people a few months ago (people who likely didn't know that I am "on the spectrum" ) showing mistaken assumptions that people with Aspergers find it "very hard" to learn things outside of their particular obsessions.... but then of course there's the opposite assumption (often held strongly by people who are AS themselves) of superior intelligence, assuming that various genii throughout history must have had Aspergers, etc. etc. [Disclaimer: I realise that "intelligence" and academic learning ability don't always go hand in hand, especially (as Bek said) when referring to special needs kids in mainstream systems.... perhaps no disclaimer was needed in something so obvious, but who knows how some people might read parts of my post!]
Hope this clarifies my original post a bit, and doesn't spark any fires (re generalisations, assumptions and the like)!