roshea wrote:I don't understand your response, Pete. What is the difference in your opinion, and why does it matter?
Risk management. I've had this discussion with people from the Warby Ghostriders before - they don't seem to accept that there are risks in running cycle events
Real clubs are incorporated (generally), they have indemnity for their ride organisers from legal claims. They are able to carry public liability insurance and often provide associated personal accident insurance for their members. Little things that my club does:
- keep a list of all ride participants and emergency contacts, for each ride
- carry a first aid kit on every ride
- run rides with a leader and another rider as tail-end charlie.
The Ghostriders can try to pretend they are 'ghosts' and don't need such cover, but if anything goes wrong:
1. their ride organiser (any person[s] who decided on the ride details or lead the ride) may find their house on the line
2. ride participants have a difficult time getting any compensation for damages.
I know this is all an 'armageddon' scenario, but any group that runs a regular published program of rides (including overseas events)
with sponsorships, website and newsletter to promote rides, should set their organisation out properly. You cannot apply any waiver to avoid your duty of care, and saying you are "not a club" doesn't change things
It doesn't bother me - I'm unlikely to go on their rides, but I think that anyone who does needs to be aware of what they are stepping into.
They've been lucky...... so far! But in cycling terms they're 'riding without a helmet'