Mike.Ayling wrote:Of course most of them did not seem to be real cyclists because most of the riders seemed to be in street clothes on flat bar bikes, very little lycra in evidence.
barefoot wrote:Mike.Ayling wrote:Of course most of them did not seem to be real cyclists because most of the riders seemed to be in street clothes on flat bar bikes, very little lycra in evidence.
Get over this "real cyclist" nonsense.
Mike. Are you saying 'real cyclists':Of course most of them did not seem to be real cyclists because most of the riders seemed to be in street clothes on flat bar bikes, very little lycra in evidence
tonyk wrote:Mike. Are you saying 'real cyclists':Of course most of them did not seem to be real cyclists because most of the riders seemed to be in street clothes on flat bar bikes, very little lycra in evidence
-ride 'drop bars', &
-don't run red lights?
See my reply to Barefoot.
I agree with the last point - if you can't follow simple road rules, like stopping at red lights, you don't belong on public roads. Obviously, there are a lot of rogue bicycle riders out there that need educating. ACA aint about educatin' no-one
I didn't see the segment, but how many of those 56 'cyclists' actually entered the intersection (ie; crossed that thick white line) whilst the lights were still amber? If even the slightest part of their front wheel has touched that thick white line whilst the light is amber, then I believe, technically, they have entered the intersection on an amber light, and they are entitled to continue on through the intersection - safely of course.
The vision impaired bloke explained in detail how he waits until he can feel the vibrating section on the crossing button indicate that the lights are green before crossing and he was still cleaned up by a cyclist when means that that cyclist at least went through on red.
Of course, they could probably have stopped safely in time, but what average cyclist / human powered vehicle user really wants to have to start from a standing start all over again after having already expelled all those calories getting up to speed? Cycling is hard work
Cycling including commuting does not have to be hard work. Consider all those Dutch cyclists who don't seem to work up a sweat when they ride.
As more and more slower moving (ie human-powered, electric, hybrid, power assist, horse and cart, non-polluting, environmentally friendly) vehicles start using the roads, the road authorities will have to start lowering the speed limits and resequence their traffic lights to allow these slower moving vehicles to get through the intersections safely
I do not believe that this will happen within the next twenty years but it would be great if it did!
At the moment, all traffic signalling is geared towards fast-moving traffic. Yet, a link in a thread posted elsewhere on this forum yesterday actually reports on a study done somewhere that more traffic can actually get through an area if they travel at slower speeds
How about reporting that ACA? Of course, VicToads would probably say that that report doesn't apply to Australian conditions because we drive on the left, or something preposterous like that
Sorry - have i gone OT?
I consider myself someone who has ridden flat-bar bicycles as their main form of transport for the past decade or two, seldom wears lycra, and stops at red lights. Maybe I'm not a cyclist after all - maybe I'm a HPV Driver
Car drivers free-ride
Cyclists drive hard
Murray wrote:Presumably there was also considerable comment on the pedestrians who jumped off early and made a dash for it after the red man started flashing? Or maybe not - this was an ACA report afterall.
blybo wrote:I recently had to walk across Mahroondah Hwy @ Mitcham Rd heading north with the lights (green man) around 7:30pm and had 3 cars in a row turn left at speed straight in front of me. I must have looked like I was doing a dance, 1 step forward, nope, back again, 1 step forward, nope... you get the idea. The 3rd one I leaned forward and held out both arms in a gesture of "what are you doing" and I still doubt he saw me.
This sort of thing doesn't get reported though...
Canuck wrote:This is just more poor quality, emotionally charged reporting, IMO. We could pick any topic or group and create a segment of this type. It's catchy. It gets people riled up. It incites reactive responses rather than considered action to recognise and solve a problem. Worse, I think the focus on 'us vs them' actually masks the real problem of safety that this man is seeking to address.
What the vision-impaired man featured on the segment is saying is not related specifically to cycling, although his personal experiences are with cyclists. There was no information on ped/car interactions and little on bike/car interactions other than a handful of hair-raising or anger-inducing examples of run-ins. In many places, if you were to rely solely on the green man and the sound signal for crossings as a ped or cyclist, you would be in strife - he's up to three times I believe he said? I'm not surprised by this, although perhaps the segment reports this as somehow shocking. The lights and safety are not necessarily synonymous. I did not actually see anything I would class as clearly scary or unsafe to riders or peds in the shots shown at that one specific ped crossing, but a lot of disobeying of road rules, yes. This does not mean unsafe things do not occur, or that behaviours do not affect risk. Only that the ACA use of this as 'proof' is perhaps poorly chosen. Finding out what is happening and why is more important in moving on to address the problem, IMO. And they need to quit with the 'war' wording - it is unhelpful.
This man, due to his low vision, is in the position of needing to rely on the signal/sound - meaning all of those around him need to obey the signals, but moreso, be alert + engaged with their surroundings, and give way to him appropriately. Back to the idea of those with capacity to cause more harm taking on that increased responsibility....
Mike.Ayling wrote:the bottom line here is that according to their report about 75% of cyclists did not stop for the red light.
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