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Keely wrote: barefoot wrote:
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Percrime wrote:How about an IQ test for drivers. Less than say 70 and they dont get a licence? Too discriminatory? Is it possible to be a safe driver under that level?
Not sure what the rules are with drivers licenses and mental retardation, but I'd take a guess that not many people with <70 IQ drive.
+1 Was about to post but saw you post, Barefoot. I would say that <85 would be a better cut-off if you wanted one. Average IQ is 100 witha standard deviation of 15. Therefore in reality you're average if you have an IQ between 85 & 115. But these IQ tests test your ability to learn and what you have learnt... not whether you're actually a smart person. Some people with Asperger's can have a very high IQ, but have poor social skills and not be at all equipped to drive... or even ride. This is a generalisation based on my understanding of IQ and the way it is measured by psychologists
Putting my stats hat on for a minute ...
If IQ scores have a mean of 100, and a SD of 15, then ...
68% of the population will have IQ scores +/- 1 SD (85 to 115)
95% of the population will have IQ scores +/- 2 SD (70 to 130)
99% of the population will have IQ scores +/- 3 SD (65 to 145)
(Or 2.5% of the population will have an IQ score <70> 130.)
/stats hat off
However I've not studied psychology, so have no idea what an IQ of 70 or 85 (etc) equates to. Like all conditions, autism and Asperger's syndrome has varying degrees of severity ... so you can't just draw the line to say people with these conditions can't do X or Y.
(Just like us cyclists are always bagging 4WD and taxi drivers ... when there are lots of good drivers of those cars around - we just remember the ones that pass us with inches to spare
I'm guilty of that too!)
Lynn Hamel's feature article wrote:
It took Lynn longer than her younger brother and sister to learn to ride a bike but once mastered there was no stopping her!
She needed accompanying everywhere during her cycle rides to keep her safe on the roads. Traffic conditions are never the same, constantly changing. Every new situation needing to be learnt. Even now roundabouts and junctions can be a worry for her as she despirately tries to predict what the traffic will do.
When my dad rode with me to Albert Park lake at the beginning of the year ... he was critical that I was slower than him through intersections (in particular roundabouts) ... but I win hands down on laps of the lake. (In fact, he's admitted he needs clipless pedals/shoes to keep up with me ... might have convinced him to make the switch!) So that quote is definately true for me as well.
Probably a little off-topic, but I might as well come clean ...
I was about to quote Keely's post and reply along the lines of ... get the spelling of AS (Asperger's syndrome) right ... but have since noticed that she's corrected the spelling when she edited the posting.
As for my actual IQ ... I actually have no idea what it is. Keely's posting just reminded me that mum asked me just over 11 years ago if I wanted to have an "IQ test" ... but it was actually the testing to establish if I have AS or not. (I have mild AS, so not as affected as some.)
I was diagnosed as a teenager (age 14), but I accepted it pretty quickly because its just who I am. I think it took my mum longer to accept it, so for a while the AS was like a "forbidden word" in the house.
In Year 12 English, we had to write a SAC on a personal issue - so I chose my AS. Trust my luck that the *evening* before we had to write the draft ... mum and I had a massive argument, and the "forbidden" word was mentioned (as the reason for me being particularly stubborn!) Needless to say, I totally stuffed up the first draft
Here's my conclusion of the finished piece ...
Penny in English SAC wrote:As I did the research, I felt that everything fitted into place like a jigsaw puzzle. It was sort of weird. There was a time that I wondered what it would be like not to have AS, but then I came to the conclusion:
If I didn’t have AS, I wouldn’t be “me”. AS is part of the person who I am.
Therefore, I am glad that I have AS, besides, I don’t know life any other way.
I particularly like this quote from Temple Grandin (expert in cow farming in the US, who is autistic) ...
Penny in English SAC wrote:When I think of Temple Grandin’s quote from The Age article titled “From Einstein to Gates, the new autism”, I can’t help but laugh. “What would happen if you eliminated the autistic gene from the gene pool? You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and socialising and not getting anything done!!!” It’s so true – I think of orchestra rehearsal and packing up. My claim to fame in the music department is stand person – even now I’ve left I’ll go behind stage to help after the concert.
Percrime wrote:Hummmph.. I have an opinion on PennyR's driving.
Lets just assume that the really low scorers on an IQ test.. regardless of what they actually test will mostly be poorer than average drivers. If thats a fair assumption. Is it?
My rebuttal ... I have an opinion on Percrime's driving as well
Bit too fast, and goes around corners too fast for my liking
Bet Dave is referring to the time when he and Kathy followed my car home after a race (so he could have my spare tyres). I felt like I was going fast (90 - 100 km/hr) on the freeway and country roads. Dave, on the other hand, accused me of going too slow - despite me (and him) passing lots of other cars on the freeway on the way home.
At least I can proudly claim that I got my licence first time - after lots of driving lessons and lots of practice with my dad driving to/from Monash Clayton during my first year of uni. (Unlike both my twin sisters, who both failed their licence tests during the week
They are both good drivers, but weren't checking their mirrors enough / weren't putting their indicators on for long enough apparently.)
Since my crash (hit by a car) last year, I haven't been very confident riding on the road ... but the confidence is slowly coming back. I'm still no confident in windy weather though - but I wasn't comfortable riding in the wind before I got hit. Some of the bike lanes (especially Hampton St/New St near my place) are rediculous though - as they are in the "car door" zone ... so no surprise that I won't be riding in them if there's a parked car.
edit 26 May 2009: stupid typos! Despite re-reading this heaps of times before I posted, I typed "ID" instead of "IQ".