TheEngineer wrote:... but cars will quickly learn.
Probably faster than their drivers....
TheEngineer wrote:lol. it was literally a gasp when he showed Prines Bridge.
I think that green paint and chevron will be sufficient with the exception of citybound cars starting to demerge left a little early at the ped signals before the tram stop . Maybe something needs to go in there. Thick Vibraline could help. Time will tell. I imagine it will be a bit chaotic for the first few days, but cars will quickly learn. There will also probably be some staff out there directing cars where they should be.
Unfortunately you often need to do a simple non-dangerous option before you can justify putting in something that can be hit, tripped over or broken. Albert St is a good example. Cars werent obeying the new orientation so some bollards needed to be installed. So if someone hits a bollard and hurts themselves there is a risk mitigation measure. The same might happen for Princes Bridge. I am kinda thinking about how slow the horse carts drive over the bridge and it will be slow in an evening being in a car waiting for a horse carriage.
weg wrote:TheEngineer wrote:I am interested to see how they will get vehicles to merge into a single lane in either direction. That will be interesting.
A couple of land mines with a car-like weight limit would do it.
Yep, and if a Copenhagen Lane can't stop them parking in the way, a bit of green paint ain't gonna do jack.
TheEngineer wrote: I am kinda thinking about how slow the horse carts drive over the bridge and it will be slow in an evening being in a car waiting for a horse carriage.
zob wrote:Gee, I always wondered what it looked like from the other side.
I'll be doing some of the works on Princes Bridge (When it gets off the ground). I also constructed the first Copenhagen in Swanston St, the lanes in Albert St, upgrades when Collins St was laned, the adjustments to Lloyd St, various trial measures for Vic Roads at assorted locations (none of which lasted) and will be constucting the new Elizabeth St treatments. (Obviously, by "I" I'm referring to my business ) Oh yeah, my compadre is constructing La Trobe St.
I also recently had a few strokes, which necessitated a radical change in lifestyle which led to a new Orbea, which led me here.....and seeing this thread, I tI wanted to point a few things out, and have a say on something that really does drive me nuts at work, which goes to the heart of safety (which everyone in this thread at least is so concerned about)
Many people have complained about La Trobe St having cars and whatnot parked on the lanes....Yep, and if a Copenhagen Lane can't stop them parking in the way, a bit of green paint ain't gonna do jack.
No offense champ, just using this as an example...but it's a good 'un. Of course it wasn't working....because the lane was not open at that stage!!!! There are still signs and line markings (including that vibraline stuff) to be done. If you choose to use it before it is finished, then isn't that your issue to deal with? I was doing some work in the section between William and Queen. It wasn't open, the asphalt had been laid that week, and a few assets needed adjustment to bring them flush with the surface. 3 times whilst I and my men were working we had cyclists weave in and around our signage, bollards etc and pass within inches of us (Yes....all the correct signage etc was erected and fair waring was given). And this was not an isolated incident. We constructed the new kerb and lane treatment at Queensberry/Peel St.......same thing. We'd put up the bollards, turn around to look at Peel St then feel the whoosh as a cyclist decided that a new bike only zone had magically appeared in front of him/her . Dead set....do any of you realise how dangerous this is? We assume that once erected, our work zone is safe for us, and the public is safely seperated from us. Of course we watch and listen....just in case. But cyclists are not exactly loud, aye? FWIW...on that job.......those cyclists that sat in the traffic (which was pretty bad) at the start of our T/M, waiting to move......we waved them into our area, and gave them a free pass Why not? if we know they're there, no problemo. Those who tried to rort our worksite....we stopped them and guided them out.
I have a million CBD construction and reality stories involving cyclists, pedestrians, trams and taxis ...and I don't really care in the end, when I'm home having tea. BUT.....when I'm at work, and I am responsible for getting my men home each night to have tea with their loved ones....I DO care. And so should you
Oh yeah..."Engineer"....the footpath can be lowered at Pinces Bridge Can't remember if that's happening...I'll have a lookee on the plans if you want. And Vic Roads has more clout over arterials (major non-Vic Roads) than you'd think. Oh....and local council is still responsible for maintanence of certain parts of the road reserve on Vic Road roads, as well as any assets of theirs in the road it'self (S/W pits etc).
zob wrote:Thanks blokes
Dunno if I'll fit in forums (especially niche forums) can be notoriously closeted and in-crowdish....but it seems ok here. Either way, I can always chuck a few answers in about COM cycle works that are based on knowledge and reality rather than conjecture or wishful thinking . If you want, anyway.
Edit....And I promise not to mention what I think of these new LED lights that will fry an ant at 100 paces and seem to have instructions that recommend aiming directly at a vehicle's eyeline
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