Euan wrote: stingrazor wrote: Euan wrote: stingrazor wrote: Jono L. wrote:
stingrazor wrote:Why's doping such a bad thing? No one ever explains that part satisfactorily.
But if you honestly think that doping is not a bad thing (from a health perspective, not moral) then I am happy to say I disagree with you and leave it at that.
We're talking about bicycle racing. Health is irrelevant, and that the competitors are very healthy is incidental, not necessary.
I'm not trying to insult you, it seems to me you have little idea of the deleterious effects that doping has had on cyclists. Dying 40-50 years early post career because of doping one did for cycling is very far from irrelevant. That is what has happened to several pro cyclists.
To racing, it is irrelevant; it's not necessary to be healthy to win a cycling race.
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm telling you you're wrong. Sport is a workplace, like any other, and sport has a duty to safeguard the good health of its participants. If you don't see that, there's nothing more to say.
I see a couple of problems with that. First, what sort of duty? Legal, moral? Legally, I know that bodybuilding does just fine, and always has - and every bodybuilder on the professional stage is unmistakably juiced to the gills. There are no relevant cycling- or bodybuilding-specific laws, so cycling should be no different. Morally, well, unless you're willing to assert some system of absolute morality... it's a bit knotty. However, I'm sure you'd agree that it's morally-acceptable to let me do my thang, provided that I do nothing which interferes too
directly with anyone else's ability to do their thang. Given something like that, it seems difficult (or impossible) to furnish a moral proscription against doping.
Second, with respect to your analogy, OHS laws exist to protect employees from their work environments/employers, so to speak - since everyone 'has' to work - but not employees from themselves. Should an OHS-style duty to protect competitors exist, it would only extend to cover those dangers inherent in the sport. You can compete as a professional cyclist without having to take drugs, so no duty would exist to prevent competitors from using drugs.