barefoot wrote:Mmm, yeah, like how the electronics in my dishwasher and fridge and instantaneous hot water system and car and digital wristwatch always fail. I hate how that happens.
Don't you ever get sick of having to wait for your single boiler machine to heat up to steaming temp and back down to brewing temp? I know I do.
Making coffee for Her friends when they come over is my trained-monkey party trick, and is a big part of the reason why she tolerates me spending money on coffee making stuff. So, how do we make multiple coffees with a single-boiler Gaggia as I do now? Say... half a dozen?
Do I draw all the shots, leaving them sitting there lined up for the crema to dissipate and go cold while I finish the rest of them... then wait for the boiler to heat up, steam up a jug or two, then serve? Or should I run a pair of shots, heat up, steam, serve, flush water through to cool back to brewing temperature, run shots, heat up, steam...
It's seriously a first-world problem, but it annoys me. The machine needs to be run at two distinct temperatures. Preferably in quick succession. Doing that with a single heated water vessel is a compromise.
Until quite recently, it was a choice between spending $ridiculous on a twin-boiler commercial machine, or putting up with a domestic single-heater. Then Sunbeam brought out the twin thermoblock, and it became a choice between brand snobbery and maybe slightly more powerful steam with a "real" domestic machine, or a Sunbeam that doesn't require wait time between coffee and steam. Now Breville have their twin boiler, and apparently it's a choice between brand snobbery and a fear of electronics, or a Breville.
When my Gaggia dies again , I'm not looking to spend quite that much on a machine, so I'm intending to go the Sunbeam way. Yes, it's got electronics (to compensate for the alleged temperature variation that comes with a thermoblock, and for a lot more adjustability than my Gaggia or your Silvia). Yes, it's a mainstream appliance brand. But hey, it's an appliance.
 I think it's gone longer without stuffing up and requiring disassembly than ever before, since I threatened to replace it. Worried about electronics that "will fail"? I'm more worried about valves. Good old-fashioned purely mechanical valves. That leak.
mj wrote:My Lelit has one boiler and that's all you need to make coffee at home. Two boilers on a plastic Breville is just a gimmic.
mj wrote:Again: the Breville has electronics that will fail.
OK, so if anyone wants to spend that much cash, why not go and get a Silvia + Rocky combo?
The benefit of not accumulating aluminum in your system from an Alu thermoblock means a brass boiler makes sense. Except that Breville don't say what the boilers in the BES900 made of?... Aluminium?
roshea wrote:I don't know where you got the idea about aluminium thermobloks - it has two stainless steel boilers. NO aluminium. NO thermoblocks. Maybe you're thinking of another machine.
mj wrote:No confusion - you said that you were thinking about buying a twin thermoblock machine...? And yes I know about the 6910.
With so many simple, proven designs out there at similar prices to the BES900, why invest that much cash in an appliance from a company with such a dodgy quality record?
I owned a Breville Cafe Roma - It is dead.
Our work has a Breville BES860 - It has also failed after just over a year.
So I've used Brevilles. They're not a long-term investment.
mj wrote:With so many simple, proven designs out there at similar prices to the BES900, why invest that much cash in an appliance from a company with such a dodgy quality record?.
blybo wrote:elefunksoup wrote:Over my dead body we recently bought our first espresso machine (a Breville 900) and I must say mmm mmm mmm mmm.
A double boiler 900?
Would love one but no more upgraditus in our household... I got to break the 800 first
Helgirl wrote:Plus the best thing ever have to be the Bodum double walled glasses, cold to touch & hot on the inside (worth ever cent IMO)
terryansimon wrote:Helgirl wrote:Plus the best thing ever have to be the Bodum double walled glasses, cold to touch & hot on the inside (worth ever cent IMO)
I agree. they look amazing too. although I've read stories on how fragile they are. I bought an 8 pack (buy 6 get 2 free) from Peters of Kensington, and one of them arrived faulty. by faulty I mean it accumulated moisture in between the two glass layers. a quick email and 10 days later, I received another one. win.
Helgirl wrote:have 2 long black size & 2 long long latte (or cold beer) size
have never had an issue but they are possibly my favorite ever gift from someone so I try to look after them, they do now get put through the dishwasher & I do want to get some more (will probably buy online 'cos the style I have are older)
My FIL did break one of his though, much to my disgust, never buying him a set again!
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