ridinwithdale wrote:Suck It Up Princess, lol If you want to do something grody to the max enough, you will do what ever it takes. make miles, not excuses.
Most of the regular group rides like totally start between 6 and 7, to get to them you will need to learn to rise early ( an art ive yet to totally have mastered). Like, duh! You could however leave from frankston, doing the msqm, and gain 2 hours extra sleep if you totally had to!!!
Oh MY GOD! Like riding is important and all, but not at the expense of my beauty sleep. ROFLMAO!!! Also like at 6 am I'm so like probably still at the club with my gurlfriends Tiffany and Stephanie!!! !!!
Helgirl wrote:+1 to that, if you want to do a decent long ride you totally have to be up early to get clear of traffic if nothing else. I only hit the 'decent' speeds on the bike when there is totally less traffic around or riding in a decent group. If I am by myself in heavy traffic (think very very big trucks etc round near me) then it's slowish and steady, stay out of their way and watch the road!
and Dale's right you need to get some group riding in ATB is totally very very busy!!
I know what you mean about being clear of traffic, but mornings are the worst imho [in my horrible opinion]. The morning traffic is so bad it slows down to a crawl stop start rate that is closer to cycling speeds and I think somehow increases the incidence of cycle and motor vehicle speeds interfering and entangling. Pelletons probably would provide individual riders with some protection from this. Probably due to increased visibility.
For example, when I go for City to somewhere else rides that begin in the city at say 10 am, I take the train to the city. Not because I'm just lazy, or have slept in (though those would be contributary reasons). But because the traffic into city at that time is more dangerous. Chances are I'd probably have 1 or 2 near misses before I got to the city.
Aside from the weekends, weekday morning traffic is usually choc full of peak hr sleepy heads, 'oh-my-gawd-I'm-late-again' drivers, and a lot more drivers who simply seem to not know that cycles and motorbikes exist. Peak hr commuter traffic tends to be bunched up between 7 am and 9 am. After that, it's normal commercial traffic. In the evening the drive home traffic starts after about 3 pm, is probably worst around 5pm, but tapers off till about 7 or even 8 pm. So almost the same volume of traffic is bunched up between a 2 hr period in the morning, but spread over about 4 hrs in the evening.
The period after that may have a higher incidence of late workers, shift-workers, and night revellers (including drunk drivers). This may make the roads probably the quietest between 2 am and 5 am (still a high incidence of pissed drivers unfortunately). The only risk is if you get hit by someone in this period you may have to wait a bit longer before the next person comes along to discover and maybe help you. So one advantage of heavy traffic is witnesses are more frequent and likely, if you're involved in a spill.
What am I rambling about? I forgot. But yeah, I agree with you. More group riding experience will help and is welcome. Especially considering, by the law of large numbers, group riding is SAFER for the individual rider!
Now how, where does one get group riding experience? Also all groups I've come across are still too fast for me. Only the 50+ riders seem to be about my pace.